standing at the back in my sissy robe

July 20, 2009

North & South?

Filed under: Bitchin 'n' Moanin,Diversions — Tamarind @ 11:20 am

There’s been a fair few posts around here recently about What It Means To Be Horde and What It Means To Be Alliance. I’ve been thinking about it myself, recently, having for the first time in my WoW playing life, jumped to the other side of the fence, although I’ve been thinking about it in a slightly different context.

There are, of course, stereotypes about the sort of people who play Alliance and the sort of people who play Horde (which reminds me, I must level Genericus, Male, Human, Warrior!). The Horde apparently attracts people who like to root for the underdog and, it has been argued, more “mature” players. I do find myself wondering what this means – the sort of people who get a kick out of being evil are often not renowned for their, err maturity. I’m not saying it’s not a whole lot of fun to occasionally play the Machievel, especially in safe spaces like virtual worlds and computer games. But, ultimately, in the sweet bosom of Prentendlandia, wanting to be the hero or wanting to be the villain are both, I would argue, neutral propositions, there’s nothing more inherently sophisticated in wanting to be either. And I often suspect people who make a deal out of their attraction for the darker end of the spectrum have a tendency to believe that doing so makes them somehow cooler and deeper than their shiny shield sporting cousins.

One of the things I like about Azeroth is the fact that most of the races are, to an extent, morally ambiguous – the Night Elves fucked up the entire world, for God’s sake. The humans enslaved the orcs. The orcs are psychotic warmongers. And there wouldn’t be the Forsaken if it wasn’t for Arthas. Sometimes, when you play a game, you just want to feel like a hero. And, sometimes, you just want to be pretty. And sometimes you just want to be green (even though it isn’t easy, spending each day the colour of the leaves). It’s more than a little foolish to make assumptions about players based on the caprice of their inclinations.

But what I’m wondering at the moment is this: is there really an Alliance/Horde divide? Is it primarily social? Are there are different expectations of Alliance players, than Horde? Does the fact that the Alliance are nominally “the good guys” mean Alliance players are nicer to each other than Horde ones. Or is this entirely spurious?

Having only played Horde previously, I am genuinely finding the Alliance side of things a bit of a culture shock. On Emerald Dream, Alliance outnumbers the Horde 3:1. I used to think Org on a Saturday afternoon was carnage but it’s nothing compared to Iron Forge on a regular weekday evening. The first thing I saw when my tiny level 8 dorf staggered through the enormous gates was a six mammoth gangbang outside the bank. Okay, maybe it wasn’t a gangbang. Maybe they were just playing Twister. But it was still a sight to be seen. The thing is, I still stare a bit, Horde side, when I see ONE mammoth lumbering past, let alone SIX of the things.

But it’s not just the sheer volume, it goes deeper than that. In a bizarre way, it reminds me of the differences between Northern and Southern England. Stick with me here. This point is going somewhere.

Y’see, I hail from a pretty depressed area up in the far Northeast. I’m so working class that there’s still a part of me that believes Vienetta is the height of gastronomic sophistication. Before I came to university, the furthest South I’d ever been was York, and that was only on a school visit to the Viking Centre. I got off the train with the going-to-university-equivalent of all my worldly possessions stuffed into a red spotted handkerchief knotted on the end of a stick. I had a broad Northern accent that occasionally, helplessly, slipped into dialect. I thought ‘epitome’ was pronounced epee + tome, and that façade had a hard ‘c’. Don’t even ask what I did to Foucault and Nietzsche.

The worst of it was, I wasn’t entirely sure I was in Kansas any more, Toto. There was something subtly different here, and it had to do with the people. They didn’t talk to each other. They didn’t smile. They didn’t share newspapers or help each other with crosswords on public transport. If you held open a door for them, they eyed you suspiciously as they went through, tense and scowling as if they expected you were going to slam it in their face and laugh. Even the way friends interacted was different. Definitely no touching. No sharing of food. Up in the North, if you’re eating, or drinking, something good, the thing to do is load up your fork with a hefty sample and stick it in your companion’s mouth. Offer somebody a morsel from your plate in the south and they’ll leap away from you like you’ve offered them a dead rat on a stick. A dead rat on a stick with cooties.

I’ve been an honorary southern prick for over 8 years now. My accent is all but gone, except for my ‘a’s and, if I can think about it in time, I can paaaaarrrth and baaaaaaarth with the best of them. I know how to pronounce, and deploy, all manner of poncy polysyllable words (would you like fries with your weltanschauung?). I’m glad to report, though, that there’s been an element of cross-fertilization the other way though. M’friendship circle is a huggy bunch. And when we go out to dinner it’s a veritable forest of waving forks. I talk with strangers far more than the average southerner, and I’m much much nicer to American tourists. On the other hand, I was surprised at how deep the changes had gone.

The last time I went back North, which was a while ago because I am basically Pip from Great Expectations, I was, standing at the bus stop and the old-woman-in-a-headscarf (this is very North-eastern, the fashions for southern old women seem to have bypassed the trusty headscarf) next to me, nodded, smiled and said: “Afternoon pet.” I nearly jumped under the wheels of a passing motor vehicle, I was so shocked. This stranger. Was talking to me. Me! What did she want? Was this some kind of trick to get me lower to my guard? WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HER?

And then I remembered: in a small town in North-eastern England, it was perfectly normal, indeed expected, behaviour. I was the antisocial weirdo here, not her.

Horde-side Emerald Dream is the south. People who don’t know each other are generally suspicious. They rarely talk unless they have to. Mainly they’re getting on with their own business, and think you should mind your own. Nobody will go out of their way to screw you over and if you were in terrible trouble somebody might help you but mainly we’re playing WoW like we’re on the London Underground. Sitting in our seats not looking at anyone in case, ye gods and little fishies, a stranger should take into it his head to acknowledge the existence of the other human beings around him. AND THEN WHERE WOULD WE BE?! THE THIN END OF THE WEDGE I TELL YOU.

Alliance-side though. Talk talk talk talk talk. And not just on the channels. People in the actual world have spoken to me. What is this madness? This strange white text floating above your head? The other day a gnome, called Deathbygnome which I thought was cute, scampered by.

“Hi :),” he said.

“Uh.” I said, “Hello.”

“How are you?” he asked.

“Fine,” I said, trying to repress my inner Southerner who was practically in tears of terror. “Good. How are you?”

“Great,” thrilled Deathbygnome, bouncing up and down happily. And then he buffed me, and was gone.

Not long after, three of the members of the Dwarvish Gentlmen’s Club ran into a pretty girl dwarf hunter on the path to Iron Forge. Needless to say they were thrilled. A filly! What what! So we danced at each other. For ages. It actually got kind of socially embarrassing after a bit. I mean how long can four dwarves keep dancing? Finally admitted she had to get on “wif stuff”, thanked us for dancing with her, waved and headed off.

Maybe I’ve been hanging out in the wrong places but that would never happen Horde-side.

It’s not just the talking, though. I’ve partied with randoms more in four days of being a dorf than I have in my entire life of wearing a sissy robe. All easy, low level quests, made easier by having two, or more, but perfectly simple to solo.

Horde-side, we only group if we absolutely have to in order to complete the quest. We’d rather wait for respawns or get in each other’s way than party. Horde players actually regularly quest-ninja other Hordies. Gah!

Alliance Barrens Chat the other night went something like this:

Random: I love WoW!!!

Next Random: me too!

Next Random: Me too!

Next Random: And me!

Next random: yay!

Nobody called anybody a noob, the response I’m pretty a pretty certain a similar spontaneous outpouring of enthusiasm would garner on a Horde-side channel.

Obviously these observations are only drawn from my experiences of the game (and not so many of those!); I’m not suggesting we draw conclusions about the The Way Things Are from them.

But … is it just me?

Or is it always like this?

Are Hordies basically a bunch of wankers?

I have to say though. I’m still a Northerner at heart, and this brave new Alliance world attracts me. Not enough to abandon my sissy robe, of course. Never that.

All the same … anybody fancy a Vienetta?



  1. Dear Vienetta!


    Happy now, Nimayne

    I changed factions about 2 years ago. Played alliance an a full EU server, changed to empty server Horde side.

    If you play one faction about to years ago, you get upset by seeing all that same quests, cities etc.

    So you change and kind of play a new game. It was nice seeing the new quest chains.

    Yes, you’re right by saying that some people think alliance is more childish than horde…in fact, they’re not.
    You find mature, immature, nice people, idiots on every faction, on every server, in every hour of the day.

    Ps: going to follow:) added you.

    Comment by nimayne — July 20, 2009 @ 11:52 am | Reply

    • Thank you – I am following you in return, although I suspect this means we’re both travelling in a circle =P

      It is genuinely exciting to see life from the other side of the fence – new areas and new quests and a new perspective. Although old habits die hard. Poor Rosencrantz got killed yesterday because I “popped into” Crossroads before remembering I really really wouldn’t be welcome there :P.

      Perhaps with there simply being more people Alliance-side, it’s easy for nice people to express themselves…

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 1:06 pm | Reply

      • ahem…that happended to me way too much when I played the first horde char…wanted to go to all the places I used to go 2 years long…painfully finding out that doen’t work and…saying “hello” to Bob every time

        Comment by nimayne — July 20, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

  2. Beeing a long time alliance, and just as long time Dwarf I felt compelled to reply.
    You lucky bastard, what kind of server are you playing on here? Where I play its the other way around. Here the questninjaing is followed by a /w “lol”, and the Barrens chat is a relaxed heaven of calm discussions and niceties compared to the CAPS hell that is Elwynn Forest.

    Could this all just be a matter of the grass beeing greener?

    Comment by DW — July 20, 2009 @ 12:00 pm | Reply

    • I suspect it probably is just a case of greener-grass syndrome, to be honest. A few bad PUGS down the line, I’m sure I’ll be spitting and bitching about the Alliance as much as I do about the Horde 🙂 It also, as I suggested below, could be mainly an issue of concentration – more people means you’re more aware of them, idiocy and nice-ness alike. Or maybe it has something to do with the dwarf/gnome starting areas in that people who want to dwarves and gnomes are inherently cooler than anybody else 😉

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 1:03 pm | Reply

  3. I’ve levelled characters to level cap on both sides.
    I don’t believe there is any difference between one faction and another as far as player behaviour goes.

    Comment by *vlad* — July 20, 2009 @ 12:40 pm | Reply

    • Fair enough – I suppose with there being considerably *more* Alliance than Horde, it’s all just a bit more concentrated.

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 1:00 pm | Reply

  4. Oh you’ll find tards in both factions, you’ll also have genuinely nice folk too. My first toons were Alliance but I’ve spent the most time playing my Horde toons; I recently made Alliance toons on a new server. I play on four servers two Alliance, two Horde, and it’s the same on the servers good and bad are mixed I both groups. I tend to /ignore the tards.

    That being said it’s always nice when you get a positive reception on a new server. It’s sure refreshing. My experience on Kael’thas for the most part has been positive.

    Comment by deimonia — July 20, 2009 @ 1:05 pm | Reply

    • Truthfully, I’m pretty sure it’s a mixed bag but I do still find it interesting. Back up by evidence or not, I do have a genuine sense that Alliance-side is “nicer”. To be honest, I’m still getting used to the sheer numbers of players. This in turn just makes me aware of other people, regardless of whether they’re being nice or tardish.

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  5. On my server, horde is 9 to 1 over alliance, so the tables are somewhat turned, were all very sociable when theres someone else about, buffs fly left, right and center, life is good. My friend rolled an alliance there, and has since, deleted it and come horde, mainly due to the fact that they are “southerners” and will poke his eyes out if he helped them.

    I’ve love how you compared it to north and south social groups in England, I to come from the northern end and am currently this week, moving down south, and the difference is quite bizzare, no-one is very pleasant, I held a door for a “lady” and she looked at me like I was gonna steal her handbag.

    Still, good times 😀

    Comment by Joe — July 20, 2009 @ 1:34 pm | Reply

    • I’m clearly on the wrong server. Sometimes sheer volume makes a difference, I think not so much that people are nicer over Alliance-side that you get to notice them. I imagine tardery is probably more intense as well but I’ve been lucky thus far to avoid and only get cheery gnomes buffing me.

      Ah, yes, welcome to the south of England. It sounds worryingly like I’m stereotyping but the North is definitely friendlier.

      Time to start slamming doors in people’s faces, just to fit in 😉

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 4:22 pm | Reply

      • I guess practice makes perfect 😉

        Comment by Joe — July 21, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

  6. I’ve always played both Horde and Alliance pretty evenly because I felt I was missing half the game if I didn’t. More recently it has been all alliance, so I’m not trying to make up for things by leveling horde toons. I’m going to have to pay attention a bit more to how people interact with me to see if I can detect a difference between the two sides.

    Comment by Ecgric — July 20, 2009 @ 2:48 pm | Reply

    • I’m not sure there is actually a demonstrably difference … I suppose it just depends on which side the majority of players congregate, how vocal they are and how lucky you are in terms of who you encounter. I do wonder though if being associated with the “good guys” makes you more inclined to be nicer to other players…

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 4:26 pm | Reply

    • Of course, I kinda view the alliance as the bad guys. I always like to say that the horde is chaotic, but the alliance is evil. 😀

      Comment by Ecgric — July 21, 2009 @ 6:54 pm | Reply

      • I see I have a typo in my first reply. I meant to say that I am “now trying to make up for things by leveling horde toons”.

        Comment by Ecgric — July 21, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

  7. I have to agree with the prevailing nice-people-and-immature-people-everywhere sentiments. I’ve spent most of my WoW life as Alliance where I have met my fair share of quest ninjas, node-stealers, and generally unpleasant players. I’ve also met a large number of genuinely nice people who want nothing more than to dance for a few seconds, buff you, and be on their way. (Reading that last sentence over again, if we weren’t talking about WoW I would assume we were talking about nightclubs…) In fact, I was very excited when I first rolled a druid because I would be able to put Mark of the Wild on everybody and their mother as they passed me by. I was Helping!

    Be that as it may, you may feel the nice vibes more since, as you say, there are more people on the Alliance side, and also because we Alliance, for all of our many faults, don’t spend a lot of time torturing beings of pure light in our basement (as you yourself pointed out ages ago.) 😛

    However, I really love my Hordie, too, and I’ve met a number of random, nice, let’s-group-up-to-kill-this-bad-guy people on the Horde side as well. What those friendly Hordies choose to do with beings of pure light in their downtime is none of my hunter’s concern. 😉

    Comment by wildgrowth — July 20, 2009 @ 3:19 pm | Reply

    • I’m be slightly concerned if somebody tried to buff me in a nightclub… hmm…is concerned the right word? Well, I’d definintely be startled. Especially if I got stat boost or a temporary increase to my intellect as a consequence. I’ve got distracted…

      Oh yes. I’m sure it’s actually the case that there is a reasonble distribution of idiots/nice folk scattered over both Horde and Alliance sides – just as I’m sure there are plenty Southerners who are decent, friendly people too – but I think it just becomes more noticeable where there’s a greater concentration of players.

      I do wonder though that, psychological speaking, if you’re *slightly* more inclined to be nice when you’re aligned with the nominal setting goodguys.

      And, I hasten to add, my being of pure light is very well treated, thankyousoverymuch. He’s practically a member of the family now.

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 4:35 pm | Reply

      • *nods* It’s sadly not surprising how many beings of pure light have developed Stockholm Syndrome over the years… 😉

        Comment by wildgrowth — July 20, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

  8. But… but Alliance are the bad guys! D:

    Adding more anecdotal evidence, I’ve recently been playing my alliance shaman on Silver Hand and I’ve had the opposite experience you’ve been having. Another shaman followed me around to every quest I was doing and ninja’ed the objective, started the event before me and otherwise made a nuisance of himself. I’ve met one nice person (not counting Pike) but I don’t think he counts because his main is an orc shaman >.>

    Comment by Twonationarmy — July 20, 2009 @ 4:04 pm | Reply

    • God, what a dick. It just goes to show that you can’t generalise at all, no matter how tempting it is. I suppose I’ll have to hang around Alliance side a bit more and encounter a few wankweasels of my own and then I’ll be blogging here about how the Emerald Dream Alliance-side is full of tards and morons and, God, I much prefer Horde because at least people are quiet tards and morons 🙂

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 4:39 pm | Reply

  9. how’s tha doin’? from a fellow northerner (Barnsley born and bred)

    i changed factions (and servers) from Alliance to Horde before WotLK and I have to say that i prefer the Horde, they might not be as chatty and the maturity isn’t always so evident but in my experience on my server they are a much more helpful bunch and where a fellow alliance on my old server would stand by and watch me struggle with a quest mob i really shouldn’t be trying to take on by myself and then jump in and kill it for themselves as i lay in the dirt, my fellow hordies have helped me out more than a few times and i’ve been happy to either invite them to a group before the mob dies so they can get credit or hang around and help them complete their quests.

    On a none WoW related note, I don’t think it’s so much a north/south thing, i’ve thought for a while that it’s a north/everywhere else thing – i might be biased but i’ve lived in Florida and Georgia and haven’t found anywhere with people as friendly and approachable as back home

    Comment by Schrank — July 20, 2009 @ 5:18 pm | Reply

    • Haway there! I was born in Sunderland, spent my childhood in Newcastle and then my parents settled in South Shields – so I’ve got around 🙂 Although actually I think all itinerant Northeners are sentimental for their homeland. Nowhere else quite feels the same, ever again. Whenever I get the train back there’s always a *moment* when something changes, almost like when you’ve moved from one zone to another in WoW, and you recognise that feeling as home. I think it’s probably just having proper countryside. Rolling, ragged hills. Currently I live in a flat, wet dip in the middle of the country.

      The stand around and watch you die mentality is always particularly annoying. I’ve ever helped out members of the opposite faction, as best as I’ve been able, rather than do it. Unless of course someone ninjas past you and pulls the boss without due preparation. And then it’s really satisfying to witness them repeat the rewards of their foolishness. Mwahaha.

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 9:01 pm | Reply

  10. Well I’m a Geordie expat living in California, and it’s the other way round here. Geordies are clearly horde, I think. 😉 I have four horde 80s, and one alliance 72 and my experience has been the same as yours. Alliance *are* generally nicer and more polite, at least on my server.

    At Blizzcon last year, my friend and I played a lot of “Horde or Alliance,” where we’d try to guess people’s allegiance. Sometimes, we’d ask them afterwards to find out if we were right or wrong. We were occasionally wrong, but most of the time we were pretty bang on. Anyone accompanied by their mom was usually Alliance. Anyone who looked like he’d kick our asses if we guessed wrong was usually Horde. People who played Alliance were often almost apologetic about it, while there was definitely more faction pride among the Horde.

    Comment by Sharon — July 20, 2009 @ 5:35 pm | Reply

    • Haway pet! We Geordies do get into the most unlikely places 🙂 I think you’re probably right – imaginatively I would definitely associate Geordies with the Horde and I mean that in the most positive but in terms of player behaviour the spontaneous friendliness I’ve encountered Alliance-side makes me homesick 🙂

      Sounds like a fun game to play – I confess sometimes I look at people as they go past and put them into factions, races and classes in my head but shhhh 😉

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 9:07 pm | Reply

  11. On a RP server it is a little different. You get way more cybering on alliance side (because it attracts all the people who like pretty races), although Silvermoon is kind of the porn capital of Azeroth these days.

    I always felt that horde was more tight knit than alliance, but that comes of playing on servers where they are also the smaller faction.

    Comment by spinks — July 20, 2009 @ 6:24 pm | Reply

    • Oh dear, I suppose I’m kind of unsurprised really. Blood elves are fantastically pretty, after all.

      I’d have expected the underdogginess of the Horde on ED to have made them a bit more communicative but apparently not. I guess we’ll just moody and oppressed 🙂

      Comment by Tamarind — July 20, 2009 @ 8:52 pm | Reply

    • The requests for cyber my female tauren has received far outweigh the requests any of my female night elves have. >.>

      Comment by Pike — July 21, 2009 @ 3:03 pm | Reply

      • Well, if I was going to be harrassing any race for cybersex (and admittedly that’s a huge, enormous IF) it would totally be the Tauren…

        Comment by Tamarind — July 21, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

  12. I’ve played on both sides pretty extensively (I mean, I love questing, if you don’t play both factions you’re missing out on half of the quests!) and it always seems like people on both sides say “the other faction is full of immature jerks” but I’ve known very intelligent, mature people (and many who were not) on both sides.

    It’s just that sometimes, you don’t see a lot of those people until you get to end-game. People will try the other faction, run into exclusively jerks while leveling, and give up before actually encountering the established groups of nice people.

    In real life, I tend to be extremely anticonfrontational among people I’ve never met, but I’m extremely huggy and personal around friends. I despise making small talk with people I don’t have anything in common with, but the moment someone says “I like MMOs” you can’t get me to shut up =)

    Comment by Kiryn — July 20, 2009 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  13. My experience was not that different from your own, really.

    I tried out Horde, but it seemed that unless you were already ‘in the know’, you were pretty much left out, granted, this was just with the Hordies I encountered on my first server, so, I know it can’t be said of the same for others.

    But I guess the fact is, I see too many bad guys in real life, when I play games, I want to be the good guy.

    Comment by dallanna — July 20, 2009 @ 11:39 pm | Reply

  14. To echo and summarize some above posts:

    Good & bad people/players on both sides, every server. Simple cross-section of the human race. But it’s nice to find the good ones.

    Also, bonus cool points for referencing Jim Henson!

    Comment by Mugician13 — July 20, 2009 @ 11:58 pm | Reply

    • Long live Jim Henson….oh. Well, err, long live Kermit! It’s such a sweet little song.

      I suspect it’s all context as well. Maybe ED Horde-side are a particularly sneering and uppidity bunch, so that the Allies, by contrast, look amazingly shiny. Of course, I’ll be telling a different story when I attempt to run my first PUG 😉

      Comment by Tamarind — July 21, 2009 @ 1:03 pm | Reply

  15. … I knew there was a reason I decided to add you to my link list. ~_^

    I recently started playing my Alliance toons as of late, and maybe it’s the RP server I play on, or maybe it’s the Alliance, but for some reason, they won’t take no for an answer. Yes, I already have enchants on my gear. I have a freaking enchanter that shares the love. Why are you asking if I want more? And why won’t you take no for an answer? Why won’t you stop following me around as I quest like a lost little puppy? Rawr.

    But seriously, love your blog. ^_^

    Comment by Sprink — July 21, 2009 @ 1:08 am | Reply

    • Thank you for the kind words about the blog – I’m really glad you like it.

      That sounds, err, rather over-helpful actually. Maybe you were just projecting such an aura of awesome people were searching for excuses to hang around you as you quested 🙂

      Comment by Tamarind — July 21, 2009 @ 1:01 pm | Reply

  16. I think there used to be a difference, back pre-TBC. I played 60’s on both Horde and Alliance, and generally found the Horde a bit more mature with a bit more skillfull players (this may not be true for all servers).

    I have a theory as to why. The majority of those who started playing WoW had never played an MMO before. Therefor they assumed that the pretty races also were the “good guys”. So most of them roll Alliance. The ones moving on from games like EQ2 and similar however, knew that this usually wasn’t the case, so they rolled whatever they felt like. Unless they were aware of the “newbies” who rolled Alliance, in which case they would roll Horde (I’ve actually heard people say they re-rolled for this very reason).

    Comment by Ercles — July 22, 2009 @ 4:25 am | Reply

  17. I never got “faction pride” or “faction hate” or the silly need to point out how much “cooler” or “more mature” one’s own side allegedly is. Of course, if you ask me, one sure-fire way to disprove such claims is by publicly wanking yourself on them. “We’re more mature. Really we are! REALLY! WE are mature, YOU are kids!” is hardly convincing, especially if spouted in the usual awful leetspeak and peppered with such wondefully mature insults as “noob” or “gay”.

    Oh, and definite agreement on “people who make a deal out of their attraction for the darker end of the spectrum”. They are a personal pet peeve of mine, especially if they are wannabe-evilkool-rebels who don’t even know a smidgen of the lore about what they supposedly rebel against or fell from.

    There are good people and total arsefaces on both sides — and plenty of people who enjoy playing characters of both factions. I think if a faction on a given server seems, overall, to be more friendly or more intolerant than the other, it will partly be a self-sustaining phenomenon. A friendly newbie makes a character on the “rough” side, gets discouraged, leaves to try the othere faction, likes it better there, stays. A smack-talking kid may feel the opposite way and want to be part of the “tough crowd”. But I cannot really speak from personal experience since I almost only play Allaince — I don’t have time or energy to build a new social circle Horde-side as well, and when I DO log to my Horde characters I inevitable end up feeling lonely fast (unless I specifically logged to them to “lie low” a bit).

    Comment by Feralan — July 22, 2009 @ 4:27 pm | Reply

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